But Let’s Not Question Their Patriotism


The American people, if we can believe the polling, have decided to believe General Petraeus, despite MoveOn.Org’s attempted smear job.

So, how is the left responding?


They are calling into question General Petraeus’s bronze star and whether he really has earned all the medals he wears.

That’s right, according to the left, General Petraeus is a liar and a fraud. According to one DKos (surprised?) poster, General Petraeus did not deserve the medal and so if it was really given to him, it had to be a GOP job to boost his credibility.

Now, you may say this is just one poster, but browse through the comments.

Here’s a fun one:

Fillet us Petraeus we have other fish to fry

Here’s another:

We all witnessed the outcry about MoveOn’s ad. Can you imagine the outrage over attempting to point (discredit, defame in their words) the almighty, Saint Petraeus? Bush has built him up as a hero. Military brass cannot be questioned or dishonored, apparently even if they deserve it.

And here is my favorite:

I was born in a military hospital and my dad didn’t retire from the military until I was in college. Uniforms with metals are part of the military culture — and LYING is also part of the military culture. However, lying about one of the highest metals given is NOT acceptable — EVER.

The guy needs to be discredited — and people need to be educated about the significance of a chest full of metals.

But let’s not question their patriotism.

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  • 1capitalized a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party b: the Conservative party
    2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

    Decide: Has the conservative GOP been hijacked from a party that stood for values and gradual change into a party that is hell bent on conquering all the peoples of the world and spreading Democracy (new reason for war after public realized that WMD was a lie)to cultures much much older than ours. We are morphing into a huge MONSTER that lives on fear and propaganda to keep the war state marching on. Look at these definitions of liberal and conservative, and ask yourself where Jesus would stand.
    We have changed from being a stable solid values oriented group into being a restless machine recklessly invading countries and printing money like it is going out of style. “Feed your habit” just like Alice is portrayed by the Jefferson Airplane in “White Rabbit,” except the hooked drug of the GOP is not heroin but conquer and divide. But of course, if Hillary wins her God will be the “White Rabbit” too. The puppet masters just have to cut the strings and tie them to a new puppet!

  • 1: the quality or state of being liberal
    2 aoften capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party

    Decide: What is the idea of conservativism if the above is the definition of a liberal?

  • Had Kerry won, I seriously doubt the lefty nuts would be trying to tear down Petraeus and the other men and women fighting for this country in an effort solely to undermine the cause.
    quote of Erick’s

    No, it would be the righty nuts running the ads. LOL I can see it now! They may even find a dress or two with DNA on it to bring down a general or two.

  • I am watching Ahmadinejad live on CSPAN 2, first time National Press Club has had a live televised event in a 100 year history! Finally, more people will hear the truth about how propaganda fuels wars.

  • Well Erick,
    Why is their a blueprint for the war that was written in 1996, five years before we invade Iraq. It is a war to make Israel safer; a war for oil and a war for the expanision of the global empire that is not the United States right to do! I am not making this up, read the report for yourself. You can do a google and look up the report written by PNAC. The war was never about WMD, that was just a useful fear tool!

  • http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20920354/site/newsweek/

    I am calling for the impeachment of President Bush for not protcting our borders! So that should tell you how much sympathy I have for this neocon general.

    This is a good link of “Lets make an oil deal.” Yeah, this and misguided Christian theology is what soldiers have died for in Iraq. I do not want Petraeus killed, but I do want this war to end. And don’t you dare question my love for this Country. Our Country is no longer free, as we have been under the rule of people who do not give a darn about this Country. The Christians go along with this corruption because they are blinded by years of brainwashing. Jesus’ message of peace is lost in all of the war mongering and self-righteous belief that we are superior to the rest of the world.

    This year and in the last few years it is AlQaeda and in the future it will be a new boogie man. Just wait, Erick, until you are my age and you may see the TRUTH. I believe there still may be hope for you. And really I do pray for you to really see the errors in your thinking.

  • Oh, so while Al Qaeda would love to kill Petraeus to get him out of the way, you’re just happy to do their work for them by undermining him and forcing his firing or a resignation.

    Good for you.

  • Now you’ve got a bunch of anti-American zealots trying to bring down the top general in a war to undermine that war.

    quote of Erick’s

    I am not anti-American and I do not trust anything the top general has to say because for one thing he is not the top general! There are other generals who dispute what he is saying and how he is carrying out the neocon march toward world domination that we do know longer want to be a part of. I and other freedom loving people love the United States and we want to throw the Trostkyites overboard!!!!!! We are tired of sending our sons to die for the capitalist pigs who steal the money from us for their own net worth. Bring down the military industrial complex, and bring our soldiers home from this war!

    I love my Country and I love our soldiers!

  • Linda, you premise your question on the fact that this war was based on a mountain of lies. I disagree entirely in your assessment.

    Had Kerry won, I seriously doubt the lefty nuts would be trying to tear down Petraeus and the other men and women fighting for this country in an effort solely to undermine the cause.

  • Erick,

    What would your opinion be had John Kerry won the election in 2004, and then we found out how this Iraq War was based upon a mountain of lies. Would you be defending the President and all of the Generals towed his line? I want an honest answer from you!

  • Whammer,

    The difference is that John Kerry was running for President of the United States and those he served with in Vietnam called into question his service.

    Now you’ve got a bunch of anti-American zealots trying to bring down the top general in a war to undermine that war.

    Yeah, I have a real problem with that.

  • Continued: The most horrid thing is that the Right’s support base is actually people who claim to be Christian. I am glad I have woke up from this nonsense because I will pick up my cross and follow Christ like Jesus instructed Christians to do. Jesus would not belong to this evil group and nor do I. The Bible clearly warns of the falling away of the church, and sadly the church has fallen off the cliff and following the Anti-Christ. The Christians are waiting for some devil to rise out of the burning inferno like a fiction novel, and do not realize that the are many Anti-Christs destroying the world as I type, which has our United States in hostage mode. The evil is not around the corner, it is here!

  • “I’m not sure I can believe my eyes, that you are complaining about “the left” (whatever that means) after what happened to John Kerry with all the Swift Boat nonsense. ” Said by Whammer.

    Whammer, the left is anyone who does not think like about 5,000 Republicans, probably much less who control what comes out of Sean Hannity’s, Bill O’Reilly,’S Ann Coulter”S, Bill Krystols, Limbaugh’s and the White House Press Secretary’s mouths (not an inclusive list by the way). Their doctrine is to step on all dissent and make the squishy middle confused about who is our enemy. So the enemy abroad is Alquida and the enemy within is anyone who does not walk the talk of the Neocons, the CFR and anyone else hell bent on destroying the US Constitution. So basically, the left is about 99.9% of the population because anyone who is following the propaganda of this dangerous mob mentality police state that has taken over the Republican Party is either dependent upon the “Party” for financial well being or for their future aspirations of wanting to be in the money. I mean who wants to actually think on their own. Oh we cannot forget the ones who go along with this crap who are just too busy in their lives to understand just how dangerous this enemy of our Country really is. The “blowback” will be hell for us, until we are no longer a Country. So basically there is no left and there is no right, THERE IS ONLY THE TRUTH AND LIES. Both parties, Republican and Democrat are the liars and it is up to the mushy middle to find a leader who will lead a Revolution out of this corruption. Aha, who may be that person you may ask. Well, none other than Dr. ROn Paul for President where the left and right illusion that is smoke in mirrors comes down just like the Wizard of OZ was exposed when Toto pulled back the curtain and allowed Dorothy, the Tin Man, the Lion and the Scarecrow to see that it was a teeny tiny man controlling everything wrong in OZ. It is still not too late to pull back the curtain. (these thoughts are not my own and are borrowed from some pretty good writings about the true meaning of the Wizard of OZ in relationship to the Federal Reserve). Have a good day, and it is your decision to either take the red pill or the blue pill (from the Matrix). I hope you take the right pill or I pray you take the right pill!

  • I’m not sure I can believe my eyes, that you are complaining about “the left” (whatever that means) after what happened to John Kerry with all the Swift Boat nonsense.

    I only found this blog because of the Pachabel bedtime thing (which was terrific, btw), but I just cannot believe that we are in 2007 and someone is actually bent out of shape about MoveOn going after a general. If you want to pick on DKos commenters, I can easily find a whole bunch of nonsense at FreeRepublic or RedState or Malkin or whererever to represent “the right”.

    Perhaps we should have questioned the patriotism of all those Republican convention delegates wearing their purple heart bandaids??

    Or maybe we can stop fawning over authority figures and figuring out what the heck to do in Iraq, and how we should behave as a world power. This nonsense about “we invaded a country, therefore we need to support everything and everybody involved because it is a war” is just third-grade logic at best, and it needs to stop.

  • The background music to this could be Fleetwood Mac “Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.”

    Give us just one reason why we should trust any of these [email protected]@[email protected]@@ Neo-cons! Just one will be enough. And not some willy nilly bs that you have got to support the troops! Those of us who are tired of waiting for the TRUTH to be told by the leaders in DC want a reason to believe.

    Are any of you tired of the war in Iraq, and do you want real change? Well, there is only one candidate on either side of the aisle who can offer change, and his name is Dr. Ron Paul. Join us because we are tired of the war too!

  • Hey Dlawbailey, thanks for stopping by. I love your logic. Because we don’t know what Petraeus did to earn his medal, he “cannot morally claim that valor.”

    Thanks for jumping to the conclusion that he’s scum because you haven’t seen the recommendation for his citation. Way to support the troops.

  • Hi, Idiot

    I’m the person who wrote the DailyKos diary revealing that General Petraeus has a tissue-thin, dishonorable claim on a medal for valor.

    Do YOU know what David Petraeus, in his first combat, as a 2-Star General, got his medal for?

    You don’t, because nobody does. Somehow the story of the most famous American soldier in the world right now showing combat valor AS A GENERAL has gone missing.

    Although the Armed Forces share dozens of dozens of stories of incredibly brave soldiers like this Marine Hero who received the same medal.

    Take a look at his saluting hand. That’s right, he doesn’t have one. He doesn’t have the other one, either.

    Valor is handmade, by the hands of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines, and General Petraeus cannot morally claim that valor. He should be ashamed of himself.

  • [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI]

    Watch Judge Napolitono give this speech on the Patriot Act and how our Congress was given 15 minutes to sign it into law! I heard this speech live in Reston, VA and sat at the table directly behind the Judge and Ron Paul. The applause you hear is from the left, the right and the middle as it was a crowd from Berkley, Ohio, VA, GA, FL and all states in between. People who are fed up with this government that has stripped us of Habeous Corpus, infringed on our rights to free speech and basically turned the Constitution into a roll of toilet paper!

    You can find more of the judges speech online this is just part of it, but he ends his line with “Ron Paul being the Thomas Jefferson of our life time, and HE IS ONE OF US!”

    Ok, Erick, you claim to be a constitutional lawyer and wear that badge on your chest like you stand for the Constitution and have Lincoln as a photo on this blog, which began the destruction of the Constitution when he invaded the South and killed innocent men, women and children for economic gain. The move forward to the Clinton administration and what Janet Reno, et al did at Waco and Ruby Ridge. We are living in a Country where we the citizens are enemies of the government. All of the facts are out there for you to read and analyze.

    I grant that you do not wish to serve in the military, but when are you going to stand up and fight for our Constitution is what I want to know? Can you not see how dangerous the Patriot Act is in the hands of Hillary Clinton? I have got news for you young man, Fred Thompson does not have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating Hillary Clinton, and you can take that fact to the bank! What did you learn in college history? That is what I am asking all of you that go along with this government that is taking away everything our forefathers fought for and sacrificed fortunes for and lived in debtor’s prison for! You are blowing it all away to be on the inside party in power and are just as delusional as Winston’s ex-wife in “1984!” Stay in power, stay in power, power, power, power is the GOP marching song! The citizens are peons, and we don’t give a rat’s butt about what they desire. We are going on with our plans laid forth by the CFR come hell or high water. We will trample the people and accuse them of treason, we will set up camps to house the traitors! Yes, this is what you are fighting for! Wake up!

  • Erick,

    Surely you know that dissent is the greatest trait of a patriot. We are supposed to a Republic and we are supposed to have government by the people, and we do not worship our politicians ever. As Orwell said “in a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary act.” With all of the lies about the invasion of Iraq, why does any leader deserve for the angry population to bow down at their feet? I do not post on Daily Kos nor am I a member of Moveon.org, but I have learned to respect those of this Country who do not do just like I do. That is what individualism is all about. I am like these folks in that I am not about to be told what to do by any party again, ever! My freedom and your freedom comes from the Creator, and we never negotiated for dictators to rule our lives.

    Those of you who want to walk and talk the party talk are like deer staring into the headlights when confronted with the truth. It is down right frightful to see the way you tow the propaganda line, and talk the same bs that Hannity talks and that all of the talking heads talk. Think about it, and maybe you will realize the errors of this box you have yourself in.

    The dollar dropped from .805 to .705, since the Feds reduced interest rates by 1/2 point and Saudi Arabia is talking of not taking dollars for oil! If we switch over to the Euro as Greenspan is suggesting, then do you realize what that will do to the wealth of our Country. Look at the exchange rate of .715 to 1.35,, dollar to Euro. Instant financial crisis in this Country, and people are just going along in the dark. Oil is at an all time high; the sub-prime mortgage crisis is like a tsunami and I do not need to pile on any more problems. The bottom line is that this war is bankrupting our Country, and our troops really want to come home.

    I think the ad sucks, as I think all politics suck! It is one of the many evils that divide us a people. Many of the people if not most in Moveon.org are every day Americans unhappy with the American Dream that leaves way too many behind. What ever became of the Christian philosophy of love and forgiveness for fellow mankind, as these folks are one of us!

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